Showing posts with label translation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label translation. Show all posts

Monday, April 11, 2011

YouCat - Translation issues?

***UPDATE***:
So there are some conflicting reports going around and it seems that this 'issue' might as one commentator put it be a 'problem.' Here is an update from Ignatius press website:
(UPDATE: Mark Brumley, President of Ignatius Press writes: "The problem did not originate with the German text--at least not if the Italian translation is based on the same German text as that on which Ignatius Press based its translation. The German text of question 420 asks whether a Christian married couple may regulate the number of children they have. It does not ask whether the couple may use methods of contraception.")
This conflicts with the original CNA post that sites and confirms that the 'problem' is in the "original German text" - so the question remains: "Where is the problem?" Is it in the original german or a translation issue that only crops up in the Italian? I am less worried about assigning blame (I am sure others are chomping at the bit on that one) and more interested in finding the 'problem' and figuring out if it will be corrected.

(Original Post):

Terry, from Abbey-Roads, tipped me to a slight problem brewing with the new Youth Cathechism - YouCat.

Apparently some of the foreign translations have been printed with confusing and wrong teachings on contraception. The original was written in German, and I guess the translation to other languages has created some odd language. Here is the relevant part of the story from Ignatius Press' Blog:
Catholic News Agency has reported that the Italian edition of YOUCAT (Youth Catechism of the Catholic Church) suggests that "contraceptive methods" can be used by Catholic couples in regulating the size of families. The report says, "Vatican sources who spoke to CNA April 11 on the condition of anonymity speculated that the problem was in the original German text, a fact that was later confirmed by CNA." It further reports: "The English edition, published by Ignatius Press, does not contain the problematic language. It is not yet known if other language versions also contain the same controversial statement on contraception."

Below are paragraphs 420 and 421 from the English translation of YOUCAT, published by Ignatius Press:
420 May a Christian married couple regulate the number of children they have?

Yes, a Christian married couple may and should be responsible in using the gift and privilege of transmitting life. [2368–2369, 2399]

Sometimes social, psychological, and medical conditions are such that in the given circumstances an additional child would be a big, almost superhuman challenge for the couple. Hence there are clear criteria that the married couple must observe: Regulating births, in the first place, must not mean that the couple is avoiding conception as a matter of principle. Second, it must not mean avoiding children for selfish reasons. Third, it must not mean that external coercion is involved (if, for example, the State were to decide how many children a couple could have). Fourth, it must not mean that any and every means may be used.

421 Why are all methods of preventing the conception of a child not equally good?

The Church recommends the refined methods of self-observation and natural family planning (NFP) as methods of deliberately regulating conception. These are in keeping with the dignity of man and woman; they respect the innate laws of the female body; they demand mutual affection and consideration and therefore are a school of love. [2370–2372, 2399]

The Church pays careful attention to the order of nature and sees in it a deep meaning. For her it is therefore not a matter of indifference whether a couple manipulates the woman’s fertility or instead makes use of the natural alternation of fertile and infertile days. It is no accident that Natural Family Planning is called natural: it is ecological, holistic, healthy, and an exercise in partnership. On the other hand, the Church rejects all artificial means of contraception—namely, chemical methods (“the Pill”), mechanical methods (for example, condom, intra-uterine device, or IUD), and surgical methods (sterilization)—since these attempt to separate the sexual act from its procreative potential and block the total self-giving of husband and wife. Such methods can even endanger the woman’s health, have an abortifacient effect (= cause a very early abortion), and in the long run be detrimental to the couple’s love life.
Apparently the english translations are "OK" - I think the language could have been a little more clear for kids, but again, a lot of this is done on a translation basis, so the balance between continuity and precision is often a battle.




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Saturday, December 19, 2009

Petition: Support the New Translation of the Missal

For those of you that don't know, the Missal that we currently use in english is undergoing a translation. There is resistance to it, because, well - people oppose change at any turn.

Our Missal needs change... and therefore we should support the change. Nothing is perfect and waiting won't get us a perfect translation. The proposed version has been thoughtfully and purposefully done... so we should support it. Those who support the translation are good and holy men - and I have not found anyone that I trust or look to for guidance that opposes the proposed translation.

That is why it is important to sign this petition. It is also important because it is in response to the MAJOR opposition to the translation. That group started a similar petition to show their support. This is an honorable way to show our support.




Wednesday, December 16, 2009

Catholic Canonical Geekiness - "Omnium in mentem"



This post is going to excite approximately no one!
The Vatican made public.... [WAIT FOR IT] ...."Omnium in mentem" - A Motu Proprio from Pope Benedict XVI - This means 2 changes in the Code of Canon Law!!!

[[crickets]] Told you, no one.
I am NOT a Canon Lawyer. [But if you are rich and don't know how to spend your wealth, I would LOVE to go to school for a Licentiate of Canon Law (J.C.L.)]. Therefore I will not bore you with my ake on it... mainly because I cannot translate the latin well enough, so I won't regurgitate what others have done. Check the links below for some scholarly takes on the changes.

Anyways....you can find out more info here:
"In Light of the Law" - Edward Peters, JD, JCD
"WDTPRS?" - Father Z
The Vatican - (In Latin & Italian so far)

Monday, October 19, 2009

'Pro Multis' - Part II

There is a longstanding/ongoing discussion about the latin words: 'Pro Multis.' They are found in the consecration of the mass. I posted earlier about this discussion here:
Pro Multis Discussion

For most, it isn't a big deal. We hear the words every Sunday (or more) and think not to much of it. The debate above speaks for itself, and we can really reconcile the confusion and move on.


For those of you that don't know what I am talking about, the phrase 'Pro Multis' translates to 'for many' or 'for all.' It really depends on context and who you ask. A good question and answer section can be found at EWTN and various other places. The summary is that the Aramaic words meant a kind of combination. Through context and meaning, especially since the phrase was to be applied to the entire Gospels. The problem is that for a long time the LATIN texts were 'Pro Multis.' So teaching occurred on those words, and our faith doctrine developed with those words. Then in the 1970's, the vernacular translation switched it to 'for all.' Again creating confusion, until their was some clarity a few years ago. Like I said, all is fine at that point with a little research, digging, and understanding. Plus there is a new translation coming out in a year or so (hopefully) which will change it to align with the Latin for a nice union between the Norvus Ordo (our regular Mass) and the TLM/EF (the Latin 1962 Mass) so things will flush. It will also bring the Latin and Orthodox churches closer in liturgical form as well. So, I was satisfied. Until, yesterday...

You see here is a snippet from yesterdays reading of the Gospel from Mark 10:35-45:

But it shall not be so among you. Rather, whoever wishes to be great among you will be your servant;
whoever wishes to be first among you will be the slave of all. For the Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many.
So now what? I mean, it has to be from the same 'pro multis' form in the latin of the bible? I don't mean to be a traditionalist to the point of annoyance, and I KNOW when the new translation of the Missal comes out people are going to be frustrated, and annoyed. But this is why it is necessary. It will make everything SYNC up. Right now, we have to spend hours and hours explaining the doctrine because of silly and sloppy translations.